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Here are a couple of figures from the introduction by Craig Ayrey to "Musical fact and the semiology of music" by Jean Molino:


The footnote "6" (in "Fig 26") points to Jean-Jacques Nattiez, Musicologie générale et sémiologie, Paris: Christian Bourgois, 1987, page 38.  There's an English translation, Music and Discourse: Toward a Semiology of Music. Translated by Carolyn Abbate (1990). Princeton University Press. 

Reversing the second arrow (in the move from Fig 1 to Fig 2) seems like an interesting move, insofar as it seems to make the musical "trace" into something like a shared space.  Maybe this Nattiez-ian way of thinking is something we can use for thinking about phatics?

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  1. aridedAugust 10, 2016 at 5:16 PM

    The situation that approached from a semiotic perspective by Nattiez seems related to the broader notion of "Externalism" in philosophy, e.g. see Riccardo Manzotti, who "questions the separation between subject and object, seeing these as only two incomplete perspectives and descriptions of the same physical process." -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externalism

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